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Robert Praetorius's avatar

I immediately flashed back to the Wenatchee Witch Hunt https://medium.com/@chelsealynnqueen94/the-wenatchee-witch-hunt-a-cautionary-tale-of-justice-gone-wrong-e344824a5687 , a famous false confession case (there are many, but that one sticks in my mind because I have a first cousin who lives there. I've never heard her take on it. I'll have to ask some time)

"hyper-rational" is an interesting choice, etymologically, since the result of training a neural network is the setting of proportional weights within the network. Reason, rationality and logic have overlapping meanings (in terms of common usage) but have interestingly different shades of meaning. AI that _does_ use formal logic (e.g. Cyc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc) has been overshadowed by AI that, strictly speaking, is incapable of using formal logic (although semantic weights may make it look like it's reasoning, to the casual observer).

Grant Gould's avatar

Once the cops are sure someone is a criminal sort of person, finding a crime and extracting a confession are just box-checking technicalities that get in the way of putting them away. The police would do away with the need to to involve actual particular crimes at all if they could.

Grow Peace's avatar

Style guide: Never write about conversation with an LLM. Never write "Grok said..." Always emphasize that it is a program. For example, "When I gave that input, the program's output was ..." or "Grok (it/it) output contained another racist slur today."

Nancy Lebovitz's avatar

As far as I can tell, a lot of Americans know the police can lie to get confessions, and those Americans like it.

J. J. Ramsey's avatar

I suspect that most of the Americans who are fine with police lying to get confessions are expecting that those confessions come from guilty people, and they don't realize the degree to which confessions can be extracted from the innocent.